Bobbins and presser feet
Will prewound bobbins work? Match the class, then the maker's rule
Prewound bobbins labeled Class 15 or Style L can match your machine on size. This page sets out what the machine makers' own manuals and support pages say about which bobbins to use, which models have a prewound listed by their maker, and what to check before you buy prewound or keep winding your own.
The short answer
Start with the class. A Class 15 or Style L label on a pack of prewound bobbins gives the size, and the size has to match your machine. Whether your machine's maker accepts a prewound is a separate question, and each maker words its rule differently. If the maker restricts the bobbin to its own or approved ones and lists no prewound for your model, wind your own on the maker's bobbin. If the maker lists a prewound for your model, buying that one keeps you within the maker's own list.
Three machine manuals quoted here restrict the bobbin. Janome's Skyline S7 book says to use the "J" plastic bobbins, and warns that other bobbins, "such as pre-wound paper bobbins," may cause stitching problems or damage to the bobbin holder. Husqvarna Viking's Designer Topaz 65 guide says "Do not use bobbins from other machine models" in all three of its bobbin-winding procedures, and to use only the bobbins designed for the machine when you insert one. Pfaff's creative ambition 640 guide, under bobbin thread breaks, says to "use only the bobbins approved for this model."
Two makers write their rule by type. Brother's bobbin answer says to "only use the included bobbin or the same bobbin types," that "Metal bobbins should not be used," and that "Use of any other bobbin may result in injuries or damage to the machine." SINGER's bobbin guide says to use bobbins of "the same class/style as those that come with your machine" and "don't substitute!" Neither page mentions prewound bobbins, so neither says whether a prewound of the same class counts as the same type. SINGER's own table lists Class 15 transparent and Class 15 metal as styles not to swap for each other, so for SINGER the material is part of the style. That table is set out on the bobbin class page.
A pack that says "universal" does not outrank any of these rules.
Will a prewound wreck the machine? One maker's manual names a specific risk: the Skyline S7 warning above covers pre-wound paper bobbins and damage to the bobbin holder. Janome's bobbin listing and Brother's bobbin answer warn more generally. Janome says the incorrect size and type of bobbin "could possibly damage the machine," and Brother says any other bobbin than the included one or the same type "may result in injuries or damage." Two manuals add a warranty point. The creative ambition 640 guide (page 58) and the Topaz 65 guide (page 126) both say the warranty does not cover defects or damage "caused by use of non-original accessories or parts." If your machine is under warranty, weigh that before using another maker's prewound.
Where the maker lists a prewound
Brother's own prewound is the PWB250. Its product page describes "Reusable bobbins pre-wound with white embroidery thread, for machine embroidery," with 105 yards of 60 weight thread on each bobbin and an "11.5 clear bobbin size." Its list of machines includes the SE600 and PE800. Brother's help answer on pre-wound embroidery bobbins names the PWB250 and a black version, PWB250B, for machines including the SE600, NV6000D, NV6700D and NV6750D. Brother's own product page for the PWB250B carries a Discontinued label.
Husqvarna Viking's 2024 accessory guide lists pre-wound bobbins 920535096 (white) and 920536096 (black), in packs of 10, for six Designer Epic, Epic and Designer Ruby models, named in the table below.
Brother describes the PWB250 as for machine embroidery. The Topaz 65 guide describes the difference between the two threads: a light weight embroidery bobbin thread is often used under embroidery because it "does not build up under the embroidery," while all purpose sewing thread is the kind it describes for garments, home decor and quilting. If you mostly sew garments, check what thread a prewound carries, not only its size.
Brother NV models: two prewound routes
Brother's prewound answer covers fourteen models: the LX3014, NV1200, NV1250D, NV1500, NV2500D, NV2800D, NV4000D, NV4000DLTD, NV4500D, NV4750D, NV5000, NV6000D, NV6700D and NV6750D. For the NV1500, NV4000D and NV6000D, Brother's bobbin answer names the SA156, "Class 15 type," as the standard bobbin. Across Brother's pages, two routes to a prewound appear for these machines, though no single page names every model.
The first is Brother's own PWB250 or PWB250B. Brother's help answer lists them for the NV6000D, NV6700D and NV6750D, and does not say which bobbin case to use with them. The PWB250B product page names the Innov-ís 1500D, Innov-ís 4000D and Quattro NV6000D among others. The PWB250 product page lists none of the NV models on the prewound answer.
The second is a prewound from another maker. The prewound answer recommends "COATS 'L' type/ TRU-SEW POLYESTER 'Filaments'," fitted in "the alternate bobbin case (pink marking or no marking)" in place of the green-marked one, with the bobbin center pin set and any side papers removed. It adds that coating on prewound thread means the bobbin case may need cleaning now and then. Brother's pages do not agree on which models each route covers, so check your model number on each.
| Maker and document | Bobbin it names | On other or prewound bobbins |
|---|---|---|
| Janome, Skyline S7 instruction book, page 10 | "J" plastic bobbins for horizontal hook | Names pre-wound paper bobbins in its warning: stitching problems, bobbin holder damage |
| Janome, Bobbin Standard listing | Part 102261103, imprinted with J; all Janome sewing and embroidery machines except the 1600P, HD9, MB4 and MB7 | Incorrect size and type "could possibly damage the machine" |
| Husqvarna Viking, Designer Topaz 65 User's Guide, pages 38 to 41 and 126 | The bobbins designed for the Designer Topaz 65 | "Do not use bobbins from other machine models"; warranty excludes damage from non-original accessories or parts |
| Husqvarna Viking, Accessory User's Guide 2024, page 95 | Pre-wound 920535096 (white) and 920536096 (black), packs of 10 | For the Designer Epic, Designer Epic 2, Designer Epic 3, Epic 980Q, Epic 95Q and Designer Ruby 90 |
| Pfaff, creative ambition 640 User's Guide, pages 58 and 59 | "the bobbins approved for this model" | Prewound bobbins not mentioned; warranty excludes damage from non-original accessories or parts |
| Brother, bobbin type answer | SA156, "high plastic Class 15 type" | "the included bobbin or the same bobbin types"; no metal bobbins; prewound bobbins not mentioned |
| Brother, prewound answer (NV1500, NV4000D, NV6000D and 11 other models) | COATS 'L' type/ TRU-SEW POLYESTER 'Filaments' prewound | Alternate bobbin case, center pin set, side papers removed; bobbin thread sensor does not work with center-core prewounds |
| Brother, pre-wound embroidery bobbins answer | PWB250 (white) and PWB250B (black) | Listed for machines including the SE600, PE500, NV6000D, NV6700D and NV6750D |
| Brother, PWB250 product page | Brother's own prewound: 105 yards of 60 weight embroidery bobbin thread, "11.5 clear bobbin size" | SE600 and PE800 among the listed machines; no NV model from the prewound answer |
| Brother, PWB250B product page | The black version, labeled Discontinued | Lists the Innov-ís 1500D, Innov-ís 4000D and Quattro NV6000D among others |
| Singer, bobbin guide | "the same class/style as those that come with your machine" | "don't substitute!"; prewound bobbins not mentioned |
How Hab+Dash's Class 15/A and Style L prewounds compare
Hab+Dash, the wholesale division of thread and prewound maker Fil-Tec, publishes size and yardage for its prewound bobbins. These are one prewound maker's product figures, not a class standard. For published class dimensions, see which bobbin class your machine takes.
| Prewound | Construction | Max OD | Width | White thread per bobbin | Maker's fitting note |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Hab+Dash Clear-Glide (No. 60 filament polyester), Class 15/A | Plastic-sided | 0.815 (about 20.7 mm) | 0.458 (about 11.6 mm) | 145 yards | For a drop-in bobbin case |
| Hab+Dash Clear-Glide (No. 60 filament polyester), Style L | Plastic-sided | 0.820 (about 20.8 mm) | 0.3545 (about 9.0 mm) | 120 yards | For a drop-in bobbin case |
| Hab+Dash Magna-Glide Classic (No. 60 filament polyester), Style L | Magnetic core | 0.820 (about 20.8 mm) | 0.356 (about 9.0 mm) | 135 yards (123 m) | Metal bobbin case; remove the anti-backlash spring; magnet down |
| Brother PWB250 (60 weight embroidery bobbin thread) | Reusable clear bobbin | Not given | Not given; listed as "11.5 clear bobbin size" | 105 yards | Machines listed by Brother |
Across, the plastic-sided Class 15/A and Style L differ by 0.005, which works out to about a tenth of a millimeter. The width is where they differ: 0.458 against 0.3545, which works out to about 2.6 mm more on the Class 15/A. That wider bobbin holds 145 yards of white thread against 120.
The sides matter as much as the size
- Plastic-sided. Hab+Dash's rule for its own range: "If your machine has a drop in bobbin case, then use our Clear-Glide pre-wound bobbins." That is a seller's rule for its own products. The three manuals quoted above all load the bobbin from the top, under a cover, and all three restrict the bobbin to the maker's own or approved ones. A seller's rule does not override that. Brother's PWB250 comes on a reusable clear bobbin.
- Paper-sided. Janome names these in its Skyline S7 warning. Brother's NV instructions have you remove the side papers from both ends first.
- Magnetic core. Hab+Dash says its Magna-Glide bobbins can be used where the machine has a metal bobbin case, with the case's anti-backlash spring removed and the magnet inserted down.
None of the machine makers' documents cited on this page mentions magnetic cores, for or against. Hab+Dash's FAQ says the magnet "is not strong enough" to interfere with the machine's internal workings; that is a seller describing its own product. Removing the spring is Hab+Dash's instruction, and none of the machine makers' documents cited here describes it. If it matters, for example on a machine under warranty, ask the machine's maker first.
If your machine has a low-bobbin warning
Brother ties its sensor to clear bobbins. Its SA156 listing says "Clear bobbins ensure that the bobbin thread sensor is activated" when bobbin thread breaks or runs low. Its NV prewound instructions say the sensor "does not work when prewound bobbins with a center core are used." Husqvarna Viking ties the Topaz 65 alarm to its original bobbins. That machine stops and shows a message when bobbin thread runs low, and its troubleshooting table answers "Bobbin alarm does not work" with cleaning out lint and using only original Husqvarna Viking bobbins designed for the model. Unless your manual says the warning still works with prewound bobbins, plan to watch the bobbin yourself.
If you wind your own
- Wind onto the bobbin the maker names. On the Topaz 65, the supplied bobbin fits the winder spindle only one way, with the logo facing out.
- If you wind through the needle, the Topaz 65 and creative ambition 640 guides both say to use a metal presser foot.
- For transparent thread, the Topaz 65 guide says to wind at half speed and fill the bobbin only half full.
What to check on your own machine
- Confirm the class: Class 15, 15J or Style L. If you are not sure, start with measuring the bobbin you have.
- Open the manual at the bobbin pages: winding, inserting the bobbin, and the troubleshooting rows for bobbin thread breaks and the bobbin alarm. The three manuals quoted here put their rules in those places. Brother, Janome and SINGER each keep manuals by model, and SINGER's page also carries PFAFF and HUSQVARNA VIKING. The links are below.
- Look for a prewound the maker lists for your model, such as Brother's PWB250 or Husqvarna Viking's 920535096. Brother's help answers and product pages list different machines, so check your model number on each.
- If the maker describes fitting a prewound, follow every step, including any change of bobbin case or added center pin. If your machine came without those parts, the instruction cannot be followed as written.
- If the maker restricts the bobbin to its own or approved ones, as the Janome, Husqvarna Viking and Pfaff manuals quoted here do, and lists no prewound for your model, wind your own. A class label or "universal" on the pack does not change that, any more than it does for presser feet labeled universal.
- If the maker's rule is by type or class, as Brother's and SINGER's are, and its pages say nothing about prewound bobbins for your model, ask the maker whether a prewound of your class and construction counts before you buy. For a Singer Heavy Duty, the bobbin it takes is on the Singer Heavy Duty page.
Hab+Dash's own machine chart says its information "has been passed on to us by our customers" and that it cannot confirm the chart is 100% accurate. It tells readers to call their dealer or check the machine manual to be sure.
Check it on your own equipment
These take you to the manufacturers and standards bodies the page draws on, so you can look up your exact model.
- Official support page
Open your machine's manual: Brother's library by model (Janome, SINGER, PFAFF and HUSQVARNA VIKING below) (opens in a new tab)Brother's manual search, where you enter your model name; home sewing machines are one of its categories. A model's page, such as the SE600's, offers the Operation Manual and an accessories catalog. Read the bobbin pages and the troubleshooting table. — support.brother.com - Official support page
SINGER, PFAFF and HUSQVARNA VIKING manuals by model (opens in a new tab)Manuals listed by model as PDFs, including the Designer Topaz 65 and creative ambition 640 guides quoted on this page. Read the bobbin pages and the troubleshooting table. — www.singer.com - Official support page
Janome instruction books by model (opens in a new tab)Janome's instruction books listed by machine type and model; the Skyline S7 book's bobbin note is on page 10. — www.janome.com - Official support page
Brother's list of machines for its PWB250 and PWB250B prewound bobbins (opens in a new tab)Brother's help answer naming its two pre-wound embroidery bobbins and the machines they are listed for, by model number. The PWB250 product page lists a different set of machines, so check your model on both. — help.brother-usa.com
What this page does not tell you
- Page numbers are the numbers printed on each manual's pages. A PDF viewer's page count can differ.
- Brother publishes several model lists for its bobbins and prewounds, and they don't always agree: the PWB250 help answer and the PWB250 product page name different machines. Its help answers also use model codes such as NV1500, while its product pages use names such as Innov-ís 1500D, and neither says the two are the same machine. Check your exact model number on each Brother page.
- Husqvarna Viking's 2024 accessory guide doesn't put the Designer Topaz 65 in any machine group, so it doesn't show whether a prewound is listed for that machine. The same guide lists pre-wound bobbins 140000746 (white) and 68008984 (black), in boxes of 144, marked with machine group 7 and the words PLATINUM MN 1000, which its group key doesn't explain. If you own a Topaz 65 or a group 7 machine, ask Husqvarna Viking or a dealer.
- This page names no Pfaff prewound. If you sew on a Pfaff, look for a prewound Pfaff lists for your model, or ask a Pfaff dealer.
- None of the machine makers' documents cited here mentions magnetic-core bobbins, and Brother's sensor note covers only "prewound bobbins with a center core." Before using magnetic cores, especially on a machine under warranty, ask the machine's maker.
- Hab+Dash is the only prewound maker whose sizes appear here. Other prewound makers' sizes and yardages may differ; check the maker's own published figures for the pack you are looking at.
Sources
22 documents, each with the facts on this page it supports. Manufacturers revise specifications, so every source is dated — open it before you buy.
- Janome's Skyline S7 instruction book tells owners to use the "J" plastic bobbins for horizontal hook, marked with "J", and warns that other bobbins, such as pre-wound paper bobbins, may cause stitching problems and/or damage to the bobbin holder (page 10).
- On the Skyline S7, the bobbin is lifted out of, and set into, a bobbin holder under the hook cover plate (pages 10 and 12).
- The Skyline S7 instruction book does not mention magnetic-core bobbins.
- Janome's Software & Manuals page lists instruction books by model, including the Skyline S7.
- Janome's Bobbin Standard is part 102261103, clear plastic imprinted with the letter J, for all Janome sewing and embroidery machines except the 1600P, HD9, MB4 and MB7.
- Janome's bobbin listing says using the incorrect size and type of bobbin can affect stitch quality and could possibly damage the machine. It does not mention prewound or magnetic bobbins.
- The Designer Topaz 65 guide says the included bobbins are designed for the machine and "Do not use bobbins from other machine models" in each of its three bobbin-winding procedures, and that the bobbin fits on the winder spindle only one way, with the logo facing out (pages 38, 39 and 40).
- The Topaz 65 guide says to use only the bobbins designed for the Designer Topaz 65; the bobbin drops into the bobbin case under the bobbin cover (page 41).
- The Topaz 65 guide says to always use a metal presser foot when winding a bobbin from the needle (page 40).
- The Topaz 65 guide says transparent thread should be wound at half speed, filling the bobbin half full (page 30).
- The Topaz 65 guide says a light weight embroidery bobbin thread is often used in the bobbin under embroidery because it does not build up under the embroidery, and describes all purpose sewing thread as used for most sewing projects, including garments, home decor and quilting (page 29).
- The Topaz 65 stops and shows a pop-up when bobbin thread is running low (page 27), and its troubleshooting table answers "Bobbin alarm does not work" with cleaning lint from the bobbin area and using only original HUSQVARNA VIKING bobbins designed for the model (page 123).
- The Topaz 65 guide says the warranty does not cover any defect or damage caused by use of non-original accessories or parts (page 126).
- The Topaz 65 guide does not mention prewound or magnetic-core bobbins.
- The creative ambition 640 guide, under Bobbin Thread Breaks, says to clean lint from the bobbin area and use only the bobbins approved for this model (page 59).
- The creative ambition 640 guide says the warranty does not cover any defect or damage caused by use of non-original accessories or parts (page 58).
- The creative ambition 640 guide says to use a metal presser foot when winding a bobbin from the needle (page 21).
- On the creative ambition 640, the bobbin goes into the bobbin case under a removable bobbin cover (page 22).
- The creative ambition 640 guide does not mention prewound or magnetic-core bobbins.
- Husqvarna Viking's Accessory User's Guide 2024 lists pre-wound bobbins 920535096 (white, pack of 10) and 920536096 (black, pack of 10) for machine groups 8 and 9 (page 95). Group 8 is the Designer Epic, Epic 980Q and Designer Ruby 90; group 9 is the Designer Epic 2, Epic 95Q and Designer Epic 3 (page 5).
- The same guide lists pre-wound bobbins 140000746 (white) and 68008984 (black), in boxes of 144, marked with group 7 and PLATINUM MN 1000; the machine-group key on page 5 does not list a PLATINUM MN 1000 (pages 5 and 95).
- The Designer Topaz 65 is not in any of the guide's machine groups; group 7 lists the Designer Topaz 50, 40, 30, 25 and 20 (page 5).
- The accessory guide mentions magnets only for accessories such as embroidery hoop magnets and a magnetic seam guide, not for bobbins.
- SINGER's manuals page lists SINGER, PFAFF and HUSQVARNA VIKING manuals by model as PDFs, including the Designer Topaz 65 and creative ambition 640 guides.
- SINGER's bobbin guide says to use only bobbins that are the same class/style as those that come with the machine, and not to substitute.
- SINGER's bobbin table tells owners not to substitute Class 15 metal bobbins for Class 15 transparent bobbins, or the reverse.
- SINGER's bobbin guide does not mention prewound, paper-sided or magnetic bobbins.
- Brother's bobbin type answer says the machine uses the Brother SA156 bobbin, "high plastic Class 15 type" bobbins. The models it covers include the NV1500, NV4000D, NV6000D, SE600 and PE800.
- The same answer says to only use the included bobbin or the same bobbin types, that metal bobbins should not be used, and that use of any other bobbin may result in injuries or damage to the machine.
- Brother's bobbin type answer does not mention prewound or magnetic bobbins.
- Brother's SA156 listing says clear bobbins ensure that the bobbin thread sensor is activated when bobbin thread is broken or running low. It does not mention prewound or magnetic bobbins.
- Brother's prewound answer applies to the LX3014, NV1200, NV1250D, NV1500, NV2500D, NV2800D, NV4000D, NV4000DLTD, NV4500D, NV4750D, NV5000, NV6000D, NV6700D and NV6750D.
- For those models, Brother recommends prewound bobbins described as COATS 'L' type/ TRU-SEW POLYESTER 'Filaments'.
- Brother's prewound steps have the owner remove the green-marked bobbin case, install the alternate bobbin case (pink marking or no marking), set the bobbin center pin, and remove the side papers on either end of a paper-sided prewound bobbin.
- Brother says the bobbin thread sensor does not work when prewound bobbins with a center core are used.
- Brother says that, because of coating on prewound bobbin thread, the bobbin case may require cleaning occasionally.
- Brother's prewound answer does not mention magnetic cores.
- Brother's pre-wound embroidery bobbins answer lists Pre-Wound White Embroidery Bobbins (PWB250) and Pre-Wound Black Embroidery Bobbins (PWB250B) for machines including the SE600, PE500, NV6000D, NV6700D and NV6750D. It does not say which bobbin case to use with them.
- Brother's PWB250 page describes reusable bobbins pre-wound with white embroidery thread, for machine embroidery, each with 105 yards of 60 weight thread, in an "11.5 clear bobbin size". It gives no outside diameter or width.
- The PWB250 For Use With list includes the SE600 and PE800, and does not include the NV1500, NV4000D, NV6000D or any other NV model on Brother's prewound answer.
- Brother's product page for the black PWB250B carries a Discontinued label.
- The PWB250B For Use With list includes the Innov-ís 1500D, Innov-ís 4000D and Quattro NV6000D.
- A search of Brother USA's support answers for "magnetic bobbin" returns general bobbin answers and none about magnetic bobbins.
- Brother's support site offers a manual search by model name, with home sewing machines among its product categories.
- Brother's manual page for the SE600 offers the Operation Manual and an accessories catalog.
- Hab+Dash describes itself as the e-commerce wholesale division of Fil-Tec, Inc., a U.S. manufacturer of sewing threads and pre-wound bobbins, selling to commercial embroiderers, long-arm quilters and retail sewing shops.
- Hab+Dash's FAQ says machines with a metal bobbin case can use its Magna-Glide pre-wound bobbins, and machines with a drop in bobbin case should use its Clear-Glide pre-wound bobbins.
- Hab+Dash's FAQ says the Magna-Glide magnet is not strong enough to interfere with the machine's internal workings.
- Hab+Dash lists its plastic-sided Class 15/A prewound at 0.815 Max OD and 0.458 wide, with 145 yards on white.
- Hab+Dash lists its plastic-sided Style L prewound at 0.820 Max OD and 0.3545 wide, with 120 yards on white.
- Hab+Dash lists its magnetic-core Style L prewound at 0.820 Max OD and 0.356 wide, with 123 m / 135 yd on white.
- Hab+Dash tells users to remove the anti-backlash spring from the metal bobbin case before using its magnetic-core bobbins, and to insert the magnet down.
- Hab+Dash prints its bobbin sizes with no unit.
- Read as inches, 0.815 is about 20.7 mm, 0.820 about 20.8 mm, 0.458 about 11.6 mm, 0.3545 about 9.0 mm and 0.356 about 9.0 mm.
- The plastic-sided Class 15/A and Style L diameters differ by 0.005, about 0.13 mm read as inches; their widths differ by 0.1035, about 2.6 mm.
- Hab+Dash's Clear-Glide No. 60 filament polyester bobbins are wound on a plastic-sided bobbin shell and offered in Style L and Class 15/A.
- Hab+Dash's Magna-Glide Classic is a No. 60 filament polyester bobbin that the page describes as Fil-Tec's patented magnetic-core embroidery bobbin.
- Hab+Dash's bobbin size comparison chart says its information was passed on by customers and cannot be confirmed as 100% accurate, and tells readers to call their dealer or check the machine manual to be sure.